TELEMAN4200
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Did the kingdom church in Acts 2-7 become a part of the Body of Christ after Paul shared the gospel of grace with the apostles. 2Peter;3 would indicate that Peter understood. In Ephesians 3:6 they are called the body also??? |
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Ray
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The church that was started in Matthew 16:18 is the Kingdom Church is in Acts 2:2-7. It is also the little flock that will be given the kingdom. Luke 12: 32 Fear not, little flock; for it is your Father's good pleasure to give you the kingdom. Peter and the eleven apostle will sit on 12 thrones and judge the 12 tribes of Israel in the kingdom. How could they be in the body of Christ and be in the kingdom at the same time? Matthew 19: 28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
Ephesians 3: 6 That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel: This verse says that the Gentiles would be in the body of Christ. Also, all Jews that believed Paul gospels would be in the body. Galatians 3: 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
2 Peter 3: 16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. Those that were in the little flock could not be in the body of Christ if they had believed the kingdom gospel. Peter and the rest of the apostles never fully understood Paul's gospel and for sure they had to remain in the kingdom gospel. Peter still went to the circumcision with the gospel of the kingdom and Paul went to the uncircumcision with the gospel of the grace of God. Galatians 2: 7 But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;
Thanks for the good questions
Ray
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TELEMAN4200
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Thanks Brother Ray
I guess the thing that confuses me is we that believe the mystery and the gospel given to Paul also state that believers now who may even try to follow the 12 and the kingdom message. Believe in Matthew 28:19 and Mark 16 commission if they still were saved by grace through faith are members of the body.Peter said in Acts 15:10&11 that (But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved ,even as they. He may not have understood everything but he believed in grace. I'm at a standstill right now about this because of the passages in Galations. I believe God will show me. I'm new to this but am so appreciative of all of your help.
Brother Bud
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Ray
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Hey Brother Bud
Here is what I know for sure. Those that believed the gospel of the kingdom which are called the "little flock" will be in the kingdom. Luke 12: 32 Fear not, little flock; for it is your Father's good pleasure to give you the kingdom. The 12 apostles will sit on 12 thrones in the kingdom. Matthew 19: 28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. What happens to the rest of the Nation of Israel in the Acts period I can only say, "where in the body or out of the body I can not tell."
Ray
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Michael
Registered: 08/29/07
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Great questions! The kind of confusion over the midacts point of view as illustrated here shows how people who follow only the KJV, who follow a drastic literal interpretation of scripture, who follow a dispensational framework and who, by using a "vicegrip" to squeez their bibles to death in the effort to divide one group from another, will never be able to adequately answer questions like TELEMAN4200 asks. There are as many similarities and themes binding scripture together as differences--it's only the differences that midacts people pay attention to and thus teach confusion. |
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Ray
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Hey Michael
It is good to know that there are smart people like you that knows how to tell others that their views are wrong but have no answers for the questions that are ask. Only that the Mid Acts people are wrong and that you should spiritualize the verses so you can make them say what you want them to say instead of the normal literal interpretation of the verse. If the words in the King James Bible are so hard for you to understand then get you one of those new novels they have on the market. There are many to chose from and you should have no trouble finding one that fits your interpretation.
Ray
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Michael
Registered: 08/29/07
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Ray, I think you misunderstood me. I gave some direction by stating that there are as many similarities as there are differences in Scripture. Why do midacts people focus only on differences? Don't you accept any continuties across Scripture? |
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jpourcy
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Hi Michael,
I'm with you. There are similarities and differences between Peter and Paul's gospels.
Most mid-Acts brethren only teach the differences and avoid the similarities.
Most Acts 2 brethren only teach the similarities and avoid the differences.
I teach both, the similarities and the differences and rightly divide between the two.
Hi Ray,
You said,
Quote: It is good to know that there are smart people like you that knows how to tell others that their views are wrong but have no answers for the questions that are ask.
I am also a mid Acts teacher and I know there are many faults in the mainstream mid-Acts teachings and I have been dealing with them for almost 30 years. I might not have all the answers to the problem questions but I have most of them and I will be happy to share them with anyone that will listen.
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Ray
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Hi Jerry
Thanks for posting. It is always great to meet someone that knows the answers to some of the questions Mid-Acts people have. Let me give you a few that I have. !. Did Paul preach more than one gospel? 2. Are OT saints still in their graves? 3. Are there more than one kind of Gentile? 4. What about soul sleep?
Thanks Ray
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